Taverns and coffee houses in 1829 and London wiki

I have spent a few hours, actually, most of the day; adding links to an excellent list of 1829 taverns and coffee houses, hotels etc. It is all the early stuff which does not always correspond to a list of public houses.

The years of research which have gone into the pub history site for London makes this all possible, even though it all takes time. My London 1832 street directory continues to pay dividends when looking for early addresses.

I never guarantee every detail is 100% correct, but I think the data speaks for itself. I spotted a couple of areas which I may dwell on a for another day, and then onto my next big project – a Londonwiki which will start with a few stump pages and a lot of links to the massive amounts of data I have assimilated over the years and onto a number of different sites.

hey ho.

Wilderness lane – The Lion in the Wood

I have been searching for a census entry for this very early inn for some time. It is quite obvious once you find it, even if you missed it in the 1841 census previously.

The Lion in the Wood Inn, or public house disappears around 1862 from directories, and I have records from as early as 1833. It is also clearly marked on the 1746 Roques map of London, and I think Wilderness lane becomes Hatton street by about 1869, maybe a little earlier.

Very little of the early life of this area still exists, excepting a number of churches which live on. The Fleet ditch, or river, nearby has been totally annihilated and now forms part of the sewage system. To think that Londoners used to get their drinking water from such a waterway.

Anyway, another early pub for my amazing pub history site.

Another day in London & pub history & accessible rail travel

Another day in London & pub history & accessible rail travel

Another day today was planned on spending some time in London. In fact, this was largely due to my lack of exercise. I am pleased to say that I managed about 15000 steps during my walk.

I started on an Elizabeth line train into Liverpool street, well it was definitely a new train. I was going to stop off along the way and visit some of the other stations, and gather some photographs etc, but it was cold and raining, just a little. When leaving this new train, I was rather bemused by the gap between the train and the carriage. It was at least 15 inches, maybe a lot more.

On arriving at Liverpool street, I probably circled the area for the first 45 minutes trying to get some major thought processes flowing. Not to be had, I wandered into Aldgate station.

I know these are old buildings, but they could add a lift somehow, couldn’t they? Ah hah, Blackfriars is a few stops away, where the Fleet river used to run, before being covered over and latterly turned into a sewer, probably now blocked with fatbergs.

I was pleasantly surprised at Blackfriars station, although I knew this to be the case, the new station is very accessible for everyone. I was obviously looking for signs of the Fleet river from about 150 years ago, and was not expecting to find anything, but was looking for inspiration.

Look at this map of London, in 1746 :

The Fleet ditch / river in 1746

The Fleet ditch starts at its southerly point somewhere near to Blackfriars bridge. It clearly runs north. Fleet bridge is roughly where Fleet street and Ludgate hill merge. Actually, if you continue northwards along this route, via Fleet Market, it comes to the Holborn viaduct / bridge.

That is where I stopped, and turned south, via Farringdon street, which hist the intersection of Fleet street and Ludgate hill, at Ludgate Circus. That is it really.

I then spent an hour in Fleet street, then wandered towards St Pauls, and finally back to Liverpool street. Day over.

London trip for rail stations & pub history etc

I took a trip to London today, nothing planned, so lets see where we get to.

I parked near to Hornchurch station on the District line, and proceeded towards London, stopping off at Dagenham east, Dagenham Heathway, Barking, and East Ham. Each time I exited  the station, took a photograph of the external station and had a short wander around looking for old pubs that I could recognise. I got very bored with the latter, and was rather amazed at the Hindu Temple in East ham; it is beautiful. I will need to go back there and take a decent picture.

I have just renewed a site I was going to cancel, pubpics.co.uk for the purpose of airing some more interesting pictures I take this year.

After East ham, I then proceeded to West Ham, and rather than exit the station I headed for the Jubilee line, and to Canning Town. This is where my decision came that most people have little interest in what a train station looks like from the outside, most of us never even leave a train station, but often just use it as a crossing point, the last two stations are synonymous of this fact, and it is more important, to show how easy, OR not, it is to use this station if you have limited accessibility or like me, are just plain knackered!

Onwards and upwards, I exited at Canary Wharf, I was not totally sure what I was expecting, but I was half-planning a visit to the Docklands London Museum. Just for the record, I did visit the London Museum close to Farringdon station last week, which was also rather excellent.

What I did discover at Canary Wharf, and I think this is in the correct order. I was following signs for Crossrail place, and somehow found myself in Upper Thames street, wandering down this street there was a visible raised security road block where traffic was being stopped and searched. I wandered closer, and also discovered Billingsgate fish market. I had a chat with one of the security guys on this section, and was chatting to them about Crossrail, and where it actually was and whether it is accessible. It is not yet open, and is not accessible at present.

Anyway, shortly after this meeting I wandered back into Crossrail place, took the escalators to the very top floor to find a mezzanine covered area which was very tastefully decorated with many plants, shrubs and trees, etc, plus a couple of modern restaurants. I do have some pictures, but I have not moved these from my camera, so far. My son has apparently visited the restaurants, and speaks highly of them.

After this, a wander along past West India Quay station found me at the Docklands London museum, and I visited it briefly for some lunch and a wander round – it’s a brilliant museum, and all free!

After this, I retraced my steps back to Canary wharf, and took a Jubilee train along towards London Bridge. This is all random stuff, and as I did not have a watch with me (I was trying to find the time), I wandered close to a bus stop, and hey presto, a number 47 appeared heading for Shoreditch. Buses tell the time.

What does one do when such an offer becomes available, you get on the bus. Fifteen minutes later, I arrived in Shoreditch, wandered around the area looking for old pubs and then another bus towards Hackney, a wander along Hackney road and Pritchards road, and then onwards to Dalston and Kingsland High street, and so on.

I cannot remember the last station I caught a train home, but it was one stop before Hoxton (probably Haggerston), and back towards Whitechapel, District line and home again.

I should be getting a freedom pass later this year, and there will be a lot more like this.

The site I am rebuilding on accessible rail travel is my https://london17.co.uk/   site. It may be useful one day.


London pub history – and an audit of the site

I have to say that the pub history site, mainly about London and the South East has been building for a number of years. I am currently 3.6 average in google for pub history, about 5,5 for London street directory, and 1.7 for London pub history; and therefore I am on track for having a reasonable site.

The pub history site, which is one of many sites I run, has currently about 48,000 web pages, and a significant number of good images – I do not count the latter, but there are a lot.

I have another blog, which is being dropped soon, on which I posted some statistics after creating my latest sitemap and then searching on this for specific terms  I was quite surprised that London did not have a larger number of pages, and that other areas scored highly.

Here are the approximate results :

London – 12428 ; Essex – 4110 ; Kent – 5558 ; Hampshire – 3239 ; Bedfordshire – 377; Berkshire – 2086 ; Buckinghamshire – 1709 ;  Middlesex – 1576; Surrey – 1835 ; Sussex – 1821 ; Cambridgeshire – 1850 ; Oxfordshire – 1528 ; Gloucestershire – 2660 ;
Cornwall – 276 ; Somerset – 606 ;

Others I should have searched for were Wiltshire, Devon and Isle of Wight.

This is my pub history site; I have another for the North and midlands.


Albert Arms, Mile end

I have a regular who collects tankards, as many people do. He emailed me about a particular pub or pubs, called the Albert Arms in Mile End. He also gave me the initials of  a probable landlord  –  G P.

So, I had two possible public houses, one was a licensed house which meant it sold spirits as well, the other a beer house – just selling beer, maybe even just a grocer / off licence.

The two possible pubs were the Albert Arms, in Bancroft road, and a beer house at 5 Railway place, which happened to have the name of the Albert Arms at some stage in its life.

The query was for a landlord with initials GP – that’s it. No dates.

Where does one start? The pub was fairly easy. I have a file which lists many years of records which take me directly to the lists of public houses in London, and as it was the Albert Arms, it was at the start of these records, i.e. I id not need to find a specific page.

During this research I did add many additional years to my lists of London pubs; which is always useful.

As regards the beer house, I had an address, and this needed a search on this address through time. This took a little longer. It was a similar research technique, but searching on a specific address.

I did come up with an answer.



Pub history updates for London

A short while back I discovered a rather excellent database on the web which lists the Foods Standards Agency data for pubs and licensed premises. This was for August 2018, and the label said, no restrictions on what you do with the data. I have since discovered it misses quite a lot.

Back to pub history. There are 4400 pubs in London, but over 50,000 around the UK. The bigger winners have been the newer pubs opening with a different economic model, that of being larger pubs,  selling local foods at affordable prices, a range of beers at affordable prices, etc. Also, micro breweries have been a big hit recently.

I now have a number of pages, all linked from one page of the entirety of the UK pub scene as listed in August 2018.

I like data, however insignificant.

Mile End road in 1940 and extending the Plough opening years

As part of my new London 1940 street directory, I have just added Mile end road. This is always useful, as I can now extend the opening date for the Plough at 606 Mile end road to about 1940; and probably no later.

I wonder if it was a victim of the London blitz? I will check later directories for this address, it is not a pub for any longer than this.

Enjoy, lots more to come.


London 1832 street directory & pubs

I have just completed the addition of a complete London street directory in 1832. It is not bad. It also links to the pubs on these street directories in at least 95% of cases, I am still missing a few early pubs, or I could not actually find them.

I just ran a google search on ‘London 1832 street directory‘ and according to my returns I received the first 32 search results. It is a blooming good piece of new research I have been working on for weeks.

There is still lots more to do, including adding 1842 directory images, mappings to maps etc; but the site is getting there. Finding each street in London in early maps is taking me a while.

It is a welcome change from just researching pubs and their landlords.